Looks pretty miserable. Are there any proper example applications or is this more of a toy framework?
moritzmoritz21 1301 days ago [-]
Sorry to play the bad boy here.
But we have 2020 these 2 Apps (Android and iOS) are looking like websites from the 90s.
I don't get the point why everyone wants to add a framework to write one codebase and deploy on many platforms.
There are great working frameworks out here why we need the 100 framework doing this?
owaislone 1301 days ago [-]
Because everyone wants their preferred set of tools/languages to do it using the design patterns they like and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't see myself using Beeware ever really but that doesn't mean people shouldn't work on it.
detaro 1301 days ago [-]
the last line of the comment you replied to gave a pretty good example: If you have tools build in tech X and just want to wrap them in a UI to make them usable on a phone. (similar to how Python ships with Tk bindings for UI: no, its not pretty, but it's an UI and thats what you want sometimes, without learning something big or worse a different tech stack)
moritzmoritz21 1301 days ago [-]
> Looks very interesting, going to give it a go adding guis to some existing cli python toys I've built
and your python cli you want as bundled iOS/Android app? I don't buy it.
But anyway everyone has different problems and if this 1000 framework is solving this, congrats :clap:
logicOnly 1301 days ago [-]
Because if I can compile an iOS app in Python I don't need to give Apple (as much) money.
bobthepanda 1301 days ago [-]
I mean, you’d still need to give them money for the dev tools if you happen upon some iOS specific bug.
goffi 1302 days ago [-]
In comparison to Python-for-Android with Kivy, the main thing that jumps out at me is the use of native UI (Kivy has its own UI, with KivyMD for Material Design theme).
Is it possible to use Python libraries with C dependencies (it's possible with P4A if there is the suitable recipe)?
What about the starting time compared to native apps?
Is it possible to run a Python service in the background?
Is there any collaboration done/possible with the great work made by Kivy team (Python-for-Android, Plyer, PyJNIus, etc)?
tifadg1 1302 days ago [-]
This is very interesting for someone who'd like to casually create a few apps on android for quality of life, but knows only Python and isn't interested in branching further.
1) how mature is the tool?
2) are there any established alternatives that this project is challenging?
shakna 1302 days ago [-]
On 2, Kivy [0] leaps to mind as a fairly mature cross-platform Python framework that covers iOS and Android. But like most of these things has a few rough edges.
There's also PySide for Android [1], which is also fairly mature but is... Much rougher. With a higher learning curve. And less iOS focused.
Sadly there are no good alternative to PyS60 (Python for Symbian S60) for Android yet.
bartvk 1302 days ago [-]
Looks like it depends on what you call "mature".
I just downloaded the example app called Travel Tips, and I get unreadable buttons and text because out-of-the-box, it apparently doesn't support dark mode.
When I turn it on, I get unequal padding between boxes and no native pickers, just a picker at the bottom of the iPhone.
When I run it on iPad, it boxes the content (two black bars left and right. The interface is simply stretched up, without regard for the huge space that the iPad offers.
Font sizes do not adjust with iOS settings, even if you restart the app.
This looks really good to be honest. So many projects I would have loved to create GUI's for and distribute that way but the overhead of having to sort out dependencies and packaging make it not feasible.
dreamer7 1302 days ago [-]
Does anyone have experience using this for their apps?
The key difference between Kivy and BeeWare is that BeeWare programs use the native UI toolkit of the platform they run on, whereas Kivy apps use a custom UI toolkit that uses the same controls across all platforms.
greatjack613 1301 days ago [-]
Cool, that sounds like the difference between react-native and flutter
replwoacause 1301 days ago [-]
Looks awesome, will give it a go.
choicenotchance 1301 days ago [-]
Well if I can quickly translate my small personal use app ideas to Android using this, then this is gold for me.
Thank you for this. I'll try it out and let you know how far I could get.
nemosaltat 1301 days ago [-]
Same for me!
tifadg1 sums up my use case nicely:
> This is very interesting for someone who'd like to casually create a few apps on android for quality of life, but knows only Python and isn't interested in branching further.
I have some little python utilities that I’d love to have an iOS GUI wrapper for, but not enough to pay the $99 and learn something new.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keith_mage...
Also a note re their platform compatibility, it's not just Android and iOS: iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, Linux, Web, and tvOS
Looks very interesting, going to give it a go adding guis to some existing cli python toys I've built
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/travel-tips/id1336372310
But we have 2020 these 2 Apps (Android and iOS) are looking like websites from the 90s.
I don't get the point why everyone wants to add a framework to write one codebase and deploy on many platforms.
There are great working frameworks out here why we need the 100 framework doing this?
and your python cli you want as bundled iOS/Android app? I don't buy it.
But anyway everyone has different problems and if this 1000 framework is solving this, congrats :clap:
Is it possible to use Python libraries with C dependencies (it's possible with P4A if there is the suitable recipe)?
What about the starting time compared to native apps?
Is it possible to run a Python service in the background?
Is there any collaboration done/possible with the great work made by Kivy team (Python-for-Android, Plyer, PyJNIus, etc)?
1) how mature is the tool?
2) are there any established alternatives that this project is challenging?
There's also PySide for Android [1], which is also fairly mature but is... Much rougher. With a higher learning curve. And less iOS focused.
[0] https://github.com/kivy/kivy/
[1] https://wiki.qt.io/PySide_for_Android_guide
I just downloaded the example app called Travel Tips, and I get unreadable buttons and text because out-of-the-box, it apparently doesn't support dark mode.
When I turn it on, I get unequal padding between boxes and no native pickers, just a picker at the bottom of the iPhone.
When I run it on iPad, it boxes the content (two black bars left and right. The interface is simply stretched up, without regard for the huge space that the iPad offers.
Font sizes do not adjust with iOS settings, even if you restart the app.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/travel-tips/id1336372310
https://github.com/eliasdorneles/tictactoe-voc
Looks like this was back when beeware was using VOC, which AFAICT is no longer being used.
I've been trying to find more recent examples but it doesn't look like there are many public projects using beeware.
https://dbader.org/blog/python-mobile-development-kivy-vs-be...
Excerpt:
The key difference between Kivy and BeeWare is that BeeWare programs use the native UI toolkit of the platform they run on, whereas Kivy apps use a custom UI toolkit that uses the same controls across all platforms.
Thank you for this. I'll try it out and let you know how far I could get.
tifadg1 sums up my use case nicely: > This is very interesting for someone who'd like to casually create a few apps on android for quality of life, but knows only Python and isn't interested in branching further.
I have some little python utilities that I’d love to have an iOS GUI wrapper for, but not enough to pay the $99 and learn something new.