k-ian 10 days ago [-]
Nice, Guardian. Only a passing mention of the civil war that has led to all this. The US and UK need to stop funding Saudi Arabia's military in order for this to stop happening in Yemen.
kafkaesq 10 days ago [-]
The Guardian has been giving pretty decent coverage to the Yemen conflict (and the US/UK/Saudi relation it) overall, actually. Well above the level most people in the U.S. would have a stomach for, were they to actually pay attention to this rather horrid and depraved state of affairs being conducted on the global stage, in their names.

At the same time, there are only so many column inches available, and there's only so much effort (and so many lines) one can devote to the regurgitating the broader context (that's generally covered in other articles they run).

dghughes 10 days ago [-]
It was an article about cholera and how it affects people in Yemen.

The Guardian has article right next to the cholera article titled 'Blame the Saudis for Yemen's cholera outbreak – they are targeting the people'.

abalone 10 days ago [-]
"Conflict" is mentioned four times in the article and it very clearly states:

More than two years of fighting between the Saudi-led coalition and Houthi rebels has crippled the country, causing widespread internal displacement, the collapse of the public health system, and leaving millions on the brink of famine.

It does not, however, mention US/UK support for it. I agree it would be better to connect the dismay that this article engenders in the reader with outrage for our support for Saudi Arabia.

lossolo 10 days ago [-]
> The US and UK need to stop funding Saudi Arabia's military in order for this to stop happening in Yemen.

It's not so simple. It's all about influence between Iran (which means Iran, Russia etc block) and Saudi Arabia (which means USA, UK etc side block) in Yemen. You can be on one side or on the other, there is no middle ground there. None of the players really cares about Yemen, on this level game is different, there are no "values" besides influence/money.

bjelkeman-again 10 days ago [-]
So Yemen is a proxy war, just like Syria is then?
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Theodores 10 days ago [-]
Completely. Really that Saudi Arabia effort of a 'country' needs to be boycotted for the human rights abuses and attitude towards women.

However the big news in the UK yesterday was about BAE systems not able to keep everyone working and how hoped for orders from Saudi Arabia would save the day.

So the share price of BAE systems and a few death industry Jobs matters more than cholera.

tdb7893 10 days ago [-]
To be fair there are little day to day effects of the cholera epidemic for people in the UK and people generally prefer stories more immediately applicable to them
jlg23 10 days ago [-]
Their pretty decent coverage is hidden behind the first link in the article, "Yemen": https://www.theguardian.com/world/yemen
baursak 10 days ago [-]
It's not just funding. It's supplying with weapons and bombs and intelligence.
owebmaster 10 days ago [-]
Is it a civil war or is Saudi Arabia waging war against Yemen?
tryingagainbro 10 days ago [-]
>>The US and UK need to stop funding Saudi Arabia's military

It's the other way around. We need oil, at least for now, so we have to make sure it makes it to the market and Saudis are the major player when it comes to adjusting prices. In exchange, they buy a lot or favors from the power that be...mainly weapons, that provide jobs for US, UK, Germany etc. US could probably overthrow the Saudis in a week if it wanted, and they know.

weasel statement: They would be fighting anyway, oil or no oil, US or no US involvement.

Geekette 10 days ago [-]
I hit the link already mildly fuming at what I thought was clickbait because there's no way any place could be on track for one million cases of cholera in today's world. Quite heartbreaking to find out the headline is factual.
coldcode 10 days ago [-]
I wonder if Puerto Rico will begin showing Cholera outbreaks given it usually happens when sanitation systems fail or are destroyed.
sdiq 10 days ago [-]
Ironical that the only help that Yemen - the poorest country in the region - can get from the neighbouring resource rich countries is bombs raining from the sky. Now, Saudi Arabia so hates the Shias that they would rather bomb Yemen to the 3rd century than have the Shias takeover. Yet, surprisingly, the long serving Ali Abdullah Saleh himself a Shia, was always friendly to the Saudis. So what changed?
gpvos 10 days ago [-]
Iran, a Shia country, is getting more powerful, which Saudi Arabia (probably rightly) sees as a threat to its regional dominance.

In general, Shias and Sunnis got along quite peacefully until a few decades ago.

occultist_throw 10 days ago [-]
And unfortunately, when it comes to religion, this is a flat-out religious war.

But I mean, they're all Moslems, right? It has to do with who the rightful heir to Mohammed is. Is it Ali, or Abu Bakr? The answer to that question thus says which side of the interpretation of "Shia" or "Sunni" is.

Long story short, it's not resolvable without a great deal of violence. Disagreements about succession are hardly ever peaceful.

gpvos 10 days ago [-]
That does not address the question of what has changed causing SA to whack at everything Shia now, where it did not do so before.
wavefunction 10 days ago [-]
The new Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia[0] is behind this and other 'efforts' in the Kingdom.

[0]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/14/saudi-crown-pr...

lostlogin 10 days ago [-]
The lack of repercussion from the world at large must be part of it.
mobilefriendly 10 days ago [-]
Iran is rising and the U.S. is unsteady in the region. The reality is that the U.S. hardly needs MidEast oil anymore. North America is more important to U.S. energy markets. The U.S. imports 3x as much petroleum from Canada as from Saudi Arabia. So the House of Saud is both fearful and no longer restrained.
abalone 10 days ago [-]
War is the biggest factor in this, but Yemen had a very serious problem with water scarcity to begin with. They were already on track to run out of water in their main city within a few years. Many were dependent on trucked-in water.[1] Now even that is impossible.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals...

jimmywanger 10 days ago [-]
One of the biggest causes for the lack of water is the Yemeni use of khat (or qat), a stimulant that requires lots of water.[1]

[1] https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/yemen/2013-07-23/how...

modkodnd 10 days ago [-]
Real happy to see Saudi Arabia really earn their place as head of UN humans rights council!
Synaesthesia 10 days ago [-]
It’s an atrocious war, being fought by the Saudis using cutting edge US weapons with US diplomatic support against a largely defenseless population.
kumarski 10 days ago [-]
This is the result of incompetency and inadequacy at multiple levels.

Yemen ceased their vaccine campaign against cholera.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/cholera-vaccination-...

tinix 10 days ago [-]
Cholera vaccines are not that effective... That's not the problem here.
jansho 10 days ago [-]
It’s just heartbreaking that the solution to cholera is so simple. Boiled water and salt/sugar solution. What on Earth is going on in Yemen :(
sbierwagen 10 days ago [-]
Note that the headline is saying that the Yemen cholera epidemic is the worst in recorded history by number of cases. I assume rehydration salts are available and being used by the simple fact that the case fatality rate is fairly low-- 0.26%. Seasonal flu, by comparison, has a CFR of ~0.1%.

Cholera before rehydration salts could be quite deadly-- as recently as 1974, Yemen reported a CFR of 16.67%: http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.177

(Some of the numbers reported in that table are oddly high-- Vietnam reported a CFR of 100% in 1954, then 4.32% ten years later. They're not showing the denominator, so the hundred percent figure could be just from a handful of cases. Reminds me of Ebola, which was thought to be a death sentence from the awful CFRs reported from small outbreaks, but brought down to a "mere" 25% with aggressive treatment in Western hospitals.)

sdiq 10 days ago [-]
I suppose, you don't eat fruits or uncooked vegetables? Transmission isn't just limited to using dirty water.
l5870uoo9y 10 days ago [-]
In a correspondence between the Austrian and the German military during World War I, the Austrian army described their situation as serious, but not disastrous. The German military replied that their situation was disastrous, but not serious.

I know likewise that our situation is disastrous with an climate crisis, economic crisis, refugee crisis, political crisis and now the worst cholera crisis in history too, but the situation still isn't seriously enough command some sort of action.

stuaxo 10 days ago [-]
Maybe the UK could give some % of the profits from selling to the Saudis to use on Yemen to help out.
wavefunction 10 days ago [-]
Maybe the Saudis could take all the money they're spending on weapons systems and donate it to professional NGOs that will solve this crisis. And then spend the next thousand years in penitence for their crimes against the people of Yemen.
Alex3917 10 days ago [-]
Has there been a recent uptick in Yemeni immigrants to the U.S.? Almost every day for the last few months I’ve seen Yemeni women in NYC wearing full niqabs, which I’d never seen here before this year.
xxpor 10 days ago [-]
Just wondering, how do you know they're Yemeni?
Alex3917 10 days ago [-]
Because they're in Morris Park in the Bronx, which is little Yemen, or else in Pelham Parkway or the New York Botanical Garden, which are adjacent. Obviously they're not going to talk to me if I were to try to start a conversation, but it's a pretty safe guess, especially since Yemen is one of the main countries where women where niqab.
nindalf 10 days ago [-]
> Yemen is the main country where women where niqab

I'd be surprised if this were true. Would you have a source for this?

pmorici 10 days ago [-]
There are many kinds of head coverings worn in that part of the world. Some are strongly associated with particular areas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

wavefunction 10 days ago [-]
Considering that Yemen is one of the countries on Trump's travel-ban I don't see how that would be the case. Unless you meant recent but not completely recent.
peterfisher1 10 days ago [-]
Thank god the US is helping in Yemen by dropping bombs. Bombs cure diseases right?
navigator01 10 days ago [-]
I'm thankful every day that I live in a developed nation that spares from this kind of suffering. We take so much for granted in the developed world, the cynicism with which many of us view our own nations is naive and shortsighted.
danharaj 10 days ago [-]
Good chance that your developed nation is complicit or directly causing the conditions which made this cholera outbreak occur.
bertolo1988 10 days ago [-]
Can you relate to Europe/US? I have no idea about what is going on on Yemen.
k-ian 10 days ago [-]
boomboomsubban 10 days ago [-]
US and the UK are assisting in the blockade of Yemen. The US, UK, Germany, France, China, Canada, and Al Quaeda are also providing arms sales and/or logistical support to the Saudi Arabia led coalition. Wikipedia source, but I'll gladly edit if you can disprove any of their sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian-led_intervention...

navigator01 10 days ago [-]
I'd say more direct causes are the destruction caused by the Yemeni civil wars, religious opposition to modernization efforts and ongoing terrorism and violence perpetrated by extremists and separatist groups... Sure the West shoulders some blame but internal problems in Yemen itself have prevented it from developing.
nowarninglabel 10 days ago [-]
You could say that, but you'd be ignoring the fact that the Yemeni civil war is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and that the U.S. is the one backing, funding, and selling arms to Saudi Arabia to use in the war. It is also providing ongoing logistical support.
dsabanin 10 days ago [-]
How would Iran fighting Saudi Arabia be any better for Yemen without US involvement?
navigator01 10 days ago [-]
Yes Iran and Saudi Arabia are also exacerbating the conflict. The US has been providing support to Saudi long before the Yemen war began.
lostlogin 10 days ago [-]
One does wonder what Saudi Arabia would have to do before it lost the support of the US.
stevenwoo 10 days ago [-]
They can send the majority of the 9/11 attackers to the US and the US did nothing to Saudi Arabia, so of course our government is now more friendly with Saudi Arabia than any other country on earth. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses...
navigator01 10 days ago [-]
Ah yes, let's pull support from one of the most stable nations in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia has their hands in some bad stuff but they are far preferable to ISIS or a prolonged civil war.
lostlogin 10 days ago [-]
I don’t think ‘stable’ has the same meaning for me as it does for you.
navigator01 9 days ago [-]
Maybe you aren't using the accepted definition of stable? What fills the void when nations in the Middle East fall is chaos.
lostlogin 9 days ago [-]
Below is the first google hit I get for “Saudi Arabia Politics”. They fund terrorism, attack allies, export Wahhabism, oppress, torture and kill political dissent, exclude women from everything and that’s just just scratching the surface. Why do you think Saudi Arabia is stable? Condemning them and pulling them into line doesn’t mean they become a failed state. Even just stopping exporting billions of dollars of arms to them would be a start.

www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2017/06/24/with-new-crown-prince-saudi-arabia-doubles-down-on-political-repression-and-regional-aggression/amp/

foobarian 10 days ago [-]
Simple: run out of oil.
boomboomsubban 10 days ago [-]
Western powers have a lot of responsibility for those internal problems.

Next month will mark fifty years since the end of the British occupation of Aden. That led to Yemen becoming a Cold War battleground.

Then the Gulf war, where their opposite to the US running Arabian politics led to a drastic cut in aid and the deportation of 800,000 Yemenis. The opposition seems justified when you consider the 10% drop in GDP and l food shortages the unrest caused. Tack on another civil war where the US and Saudis sent military forces to Yemen, and the War on Terror killing more Yemeni civilians.

Hezbollah's slogan mentions "Death to the US" for a reason, the Western involvement in the area has not gone well for them.

owebmaster 10 days ago [-]
Don't be so thankful because if your country lose (as it is probably one of the countries supporting this and other invasions on the globe), it might happen to be your time to suffer the same fate.