michaelbuckbee 10 days ago [-]
It was weird to me that they mentioned Ikea all over the place, but not Ikea Hackers:


Which I think is really interesting, sure there's some kind of obvious things in there, but also some really genuinely useful ones as well.

For example, I quite like this Ikea Pax to Synth station build: http://www.ikeahackers.net/2017/06/pax-synth-workstation.htm...

camtarn 10 days ago [-]
It's mentioned, very briefly: "Until recently IKEA was a bit uppity about hacking: its lawyers sent cease-and-desist letters to websites like Ikeahackers.net that innocently collated techniques."
jaclaz 10 days ago [-]
TL;DR: We believe that millennials and their money are easily parted.

> In 2016 Vitra, a high-end Swiss furniture company, unveiled Hack, a modular desk designed by Konstantin Grcic. Made of chipboard panels that slot into aluminium brackets, its £2,557 ($4,775) price tag sits awkwardly with its knocked-up-in-a-garage aesthetic – but, as with Delaktig, this unfinishedness is deliberate.

I believe also the name and price tag are very deliberate.

>The “flexible and dynamic” desk can be adjusted in height, folded up, turned into a sofa, drilled into and sawn.

Just like £ 25.57 each chipboard panels.

hayksaakian 10 days ago [-]
The price tag is designed to make you appear creative to your rich friends without actually needing to be creative
FLUX-YOU 10 days ago [-]
More power to them.

It's hard to imagine the feeling of turning junkyard scrap into gold.

danohu 10 days ago [-]
Something I would love to see is an open-source attitude entering into the furniture manufacture ecosystem.

What Ikea sells you is, essentially:

a) a set of instructions for making furniture out of basic components b) those components, produced and distributed through a highly-efficient supply chain

So break those two apart! Let hobbyists and carpenters share or sell their furniture designs. Just specify the components in a standard way, so suppliers can compete to supply the components for each design.

So you turn a monolithic business into one where smaller groups can compete on each part of the system. One company can cheaply supply cut wood in Seattle, another just sells its funky shelving designs without worrying about the infrastructure.

Most bits of this ecosystem already exist -- the furniture-making hobbyists, the DIY stores, the suppliers of nails and screws. They just need a bit of systemisation (and marketing) to pull them together into a system that can compete with a monolithic supply chain.

sejunpark 10 days ago [-]
I agree! You can check out http://www.aalo.co/. Disclosure: this is a startup I founded, with the same intention of what you just mentionted above. Shameless plug :).

General public (especially the millennials) have better knowledge and insights about good design and it has become much more democratic. The problem is that millennials just don't have as much money to spend on furniture, let alone a space to put them in. Ikea's Delaktig line is definitely a step in the right direction, but it still can't provide the level of freedom that "Ikea Hack" does.

I believe the answer lies in a system that provides the basic structure, which lets the individuals design and build on top of it. This way, you can achieve designs that are more unique, multi-functional, and affordable.

draker 10 days ago [-]
My first impression was that it's basically cast iron pipe designs, implemented with your custom components. Not a bad idea, especially as the pieces are more streamlined (slip in elbows) but doesn't really hit me as a real "system".

On your "about us" or product page you should do a small write-up about that actual materials and components. Basically, how is this different or better than cast iron pipe or Klee clamps?

I'd really like to know if your system can support significant weight because most of the designs (except for the garment rack) are small structures that you would expect to hold only 10-20 lbs. I would guess from the weight and dimensions of the garment rack you are using 1-1/4 OD x .065 wall aluminum round tube.

sejunpark 10 days ago [-]
Thanks for the feedback!

Our goal in terms of functionality, is to make it easier for people to enjoy the versatility of pipe fittings (Kee Clamps, FitzKitz) and slotted extrusions (80/20, Minitec) while providing a seamless design better suited for living spaces.

As you suggested, it'll definitely help us to have a better explanation of our materials and structural integrity. I'll work on updating the information :)

Right now our components are designed to widthstand similar loads as a 1"x1" T-slotted aluminum framing system, and it's been a fun but difficult challenge to make it more cost efficient and user friendly.

You seem like you have very good knowledge of building materials and furniture making in general! Would love to have you on our beta creator group so you can give us even more feedback as we develop the product. Thanks!

frio 10 days ago [-]
This is part of what https://www.opendesk.cc/ is :). They've obviously focussed on the office furniture segment early on, but there's some bedside tables and other things appearing. You can download their designs, tweak them in a CAD program of your choosing and then get them lasercut.
wccrawford 10 days ago [-]
> You “hack” the sofa by adding armrests or a back cushion or a footstool, depending on whether you feel like owning a chaise longue or an L-shaped three-seater. You can invest in a clip-on reading lamp or a stone side table or a fluffy cover made of Icelandic sheepskin, and exchange them for new ones when you get bored.

It's not "hacking" when it's deliberately designed to work like that.

>Hacking is making its way to furniture

It's not like this is new. People have been modifying Ikea furniture in particular for quite a long time now. And modifying furniture in general for centuries.

pnutjam 10 days ago [-]
Lovesac makes a sactional that is similar to this, customizable, not hackable.
peterwwillis 10 days ago [-]
I wish there were layman-friendly guides to building furniture and a nationwide initiative to pair home improvement stores with tool libraries. If you want to save money and have quality furniture, building it yourself is the way to go, but good luck if you don't have your own wood shop.

You should be able to build most modular furniture using two power tools, some jigs, and raw materials. It's sad that this isn't a common thing.

mholmes680 10 days ago [-]
re: laymen-friendly guides: http://www.ana-white.com/plancatalog

I recently had to buy an entire house's worth of furniture due to a fire. We shopped every store we could find, and apart from any store that sources from the Amish, its all crap. The prices are obscene. We also got to see the innards of the old burned furniture... there's so much chip-board and laminating that I think there must be more plastic/glue than wood fiber. Just like electronics are being designed with obsolescence as a requirement, maybe more so is the furniture in your house...

Its so much more rewarding to build a giant custom table and be able to grunt, "hey look what i did". OR even pick up some older pieces at an estate sale and upcycle with a new varnish or paint and some modifications.

draker 10 days ago [-]
The Ana white designs are okay for something short term but are prone to problems due to using only pocket screws and construction grade lumber. Veneered particle board would actually outlast from a construction perspective as it's less prone to expansion/contraction.

Table tops will warp if you just screw the boards together and to the base. You can avoid this by gluing the panels then attaching to base with proper fasteners to allow for expansion/contraction.

You can build them properly but this requires using true edge s4s lumber or removing the dimensional round edge with a table saw, band saw or jointer. Your glue up then requires a good number of large clamps. Even out of poplar, adler or basswood which are cheaper hardwoods you'll have $250-$300 in the table. Oak would be $500+.

>there's so much chip-board and laminating that I think there must be more plastic/glue than wood fiber. Just like electronics are being designed with obsolescence as a requirement, maybe more so is the furniture in your house

The problem is people want things cheap and nice looking. You can get a solid white oak table from Crate and Barrel for $1500; which isn't really that bad considering that's around $750 in ready to go s4s lumber from a mail order supplier. It's a lot cheaper to do as Ikea did and have a particle core with a 1/8" oak 'veneer'. Ikea's table is $600.

mholmes680 9 days ago [-]
yeah, but marking it "rustic" solves all my rough-looking problems :) The warping is definitely happening, but my table is also an outdoor patio table so its fine in this case. Thanks for advice though... will help on later projects.

I would like to get some time back this winter and make some inside pieces.. I agree with the pocket screws, but I think I can get around some of that with a joiner. I feel like a joiner and planer are the next tools I will invest in.

>>people want things cheap and nice looking

I agree 1000% but, after the aforementioned fire, I personally have a new perspective. "Collecting" things is way below being able to say I invested in myself/family and built something.

megaman22 10 days ago [-]
Everybody should be able to take wood shop in high school. It's hands-down the most useful class I took in those four years.

You can go a long way with a decent hand-saw and a $30 Black & Decker cordless drill. People are weirdly impressed when you can knock together a book case or a picnic table. And probably the most fun project I've worked on in the last year was slamming together a tool shed over Labor Day weekend.

mholmes680 10 days ago [-]
Have you had tough times sourcing your raw materials for construction? I'm finding it tougher/expensive at least in New Jersey.
vailripper 10 days ago [-]
Try to find a local mill - the product is MUCH higher quality and the prices are cheaper. http://www.woodfinder.com/ is a good source for finding one. Also keep an eye out on Craigslist in the materials section, you'll often see sawyers posting material in there.
megaman22 10 days ago [-]
I typically end up going through most of a lift of 2x4s at Home Cheapo to pick out enough decent ones to do a project. I'm sure they hate me... But I'm not going to buy janky twisted, bowed, knot and rot-filled lumber, especially for anything structural. Especially not at what they charge.

The flip side of that is that the sawmills will take absolutely garbage logs in and saw them out these days. My father has taken up logging again pretty much full-time since he retired (he loves cutting trees, but you can't do it as anything but a hobby unless you're fully mechanized these days), and he's just astounded at what they'll grade logs out as. Stuff he used to have trouble getting accepted as pulpwood they're taking as saw logs and sometimes even veneer.

vailripper 10 days ago [-]
Lowes / HD have absolute trash for product - at the very least I recommend people source from their local building supplier.
convolvatron 10 days ago [-]
some of those places are still pretty expensive although their stuff is better or least graded better. exurban areas near where you live are likely to have reclaimed lumber, which is dirt cheap and may have added character. steel just got a lot cheaper - $10 for 20ft of 1/8 wall 1/2 x 1" cold roll welded tube. $6 for 1/2 x 1/2. building supply recyclers near where i live still have solid core doors piled up.

i think the appeal of Ikea as stock is that its already cut down and comes with fasteners/brackets/etc. but you can come out ahead and have considerably more design flexibility if you know how to shop.

i built maybe 60' in shelving for my bedroom. light steel frame, inset reclaimed pine flooring. the whole thing was probably $50 in materials. and when i leave it on the street when i move out, someone is likely going to want to take it its not going to look like an old cardboard box.

infecto 10 days ago [-]
I have never bought one but I liked the idea behind this company. Steelframe furniture that bolts together, so its durable yet easy to move.

Not quite like building your own wood furniture but I would be more keen to buy this then a $1k+ sofa that is impossible to move and will not last that long.

Edit: https://www.campaignliving.com/products/the-sofa?variant=389...

pasbesoin 10 days ago [-]
Inexpensive IKEA furniture means I have no compunction e.g. cutting legs to get the correct typing/working height.

That said, a lot of IKEA furniture does not have the most dense/durable wood. Hacking's one thing. Big bucks for the finished hacks, is likely still getting you something that's not that durable, especially if exposed to any considerable wear and tear.

teddyh 10 days ago [-]
hacker: n.

[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]