Suspect it is china after the current Galapagos island operation. It turned out it is. Since ancient time ba ...
EdwardDiego 1352 days ago [-]
The Spanish, South Koreans and Taiwanese are masters of illegal fishing also, especially for Patagonian toothfish. But then the illegal fishing in Somali waters (that contributed significantly to the issues of piracy) was a veritable united nations... https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2019.0070...
throwaway0a5e 1352 days ago [-]
>Patagonian toothfish.
aka "Chilean sea bass" so that upper middle class westerners think it's a striper and don't bother to Google it.
mc32 1352 days ago [-]
Lots of fish get friendlier marketing names (all the Cods and Basses) Chilean sea bass predates googling.
throwaway0a5e 1352 days ago [-]
Most fish are marketed under their own name.
Halibut, Cod, Flounder, Albacore, Smelt, Sardines, Anchovies, etc. You don't usually have trade names until you start getting into fish that weren't commonly fished for Western consumption until refrigeration plus depletion of fisheries made it possible and profitable to fish things half way around the world or fishing or fish some secondary species that was formerly considered by-catch. At least that's my observation. I've never done a comprehensive survey.
jgeada 1353 days ago [-]
Illegal fishing should be treated as an act of war against the human race. Illegal fishing boats should just be sunk.
dTal 1352 days ago [-]
The verve with which you enforce lethal consequences on people who break the rules to survive, must be equally matched with a verve for helping those in need. Many of these people aren't illegally fishing for pleasure.
brutt 1352 days ago [-]
Why you have locked doors in your house? Maybe it better to help those who are looking for shelter or food instead of spending money on doors, locks, security cams, police, courts, jails, borders, army.
Jabbles 1352 days ago [-]
The parent said "equally matched", not "instead of".
rfrey 1352 days ago [-]
You equate locking my door at night with killing subsistence fishermen who are breaking fishing laws to survive?
brutt 1352 days ago [-]
Yep. If these same fishermen will break into your country and then break into your house, it will be a bit late to enforce law. Dozens of wars we know started this way.
Chris2048 1352 days ago [-]
> must be equally matched with
Why? This is what leads to world-policing and "white mans burden".
mellavora 1352 days ago [-]
So I might accept your basic premise, but not your suggested remedy. As other have pointed out, the fishermen may not have a lot of other options.
better would be to deport/repatriate the crew then sink the boat to make an artificial reef.
This hurts the boat owners.
though, they might then decide to take "revenge" on the crew for costing them a ship...
also, in the case the fishing is done by a nation/state, they might consider this an act of war.
Sounds like this would be a good job for a indefinite-flight-time solar-powered drone, flying up higher to get a broader view and stay out of range.
The albatrosses already told us where to fly, now we need to put up some tech to catch the poachers. If they got reliably caught, fined, boats seized, few would bother.
jcun4128 1352 days ago [-]
side note: the star link satellites probably don't have cameras right... otherwise there's your constant eye in the sky with high res as opposed to the geosync ones
train ML on normal fishing routes/paths to take, deviation, detects unexpected ships ooh
_underfl0w_ 1352 days ago [-]
Sounds fun until it's quietly applied at a nation state level to e.g. cars or foot traffic or similar. Once it's proven to "stop crime on the high seas" it would be easier to get further funding. AFAIUI the images wouldn't be able to be delivered fast enough for anything approaching realtime, but I haven't looked into their specs to know if they even have cameras either (plus isn't transmission speed a differentiating factor for them?). To make it worse, a tinfoil hat would just make you easier to spot on camera haha...
jcun4128 1352 days ago [-]
I was doubtful they would have cameras just because of payload/purpose "circuitry" but it also seems like a small thing to slap on there/extra sensor to get data. What a cool platform though, I had a fantasy like ssh'ing into a satellite and it's flying through the sky.
toss1 1351 days ago [-]
Well, you are in luck!!
The US Air Force AFWERX [1] Challenge is the combination of the defense, academic, startup, private sector and small business worlds to collaborate through challenges and live events, is running a Hack-A-Sat event [2] -- see if you can join!
Yeah I saw that, it's neat. I've never really been into hacking. I'm more interested in the interfacing aspect like what frequency, antenna design, what do you do just blast it... are there "ports"? Etc... but yeah the concept of a space-born computer is neat.
Curious of the tech specifics eg. using Iridium sat or something for communication, I think article just said "trackers". Though I see she's wearing a backpack so maybe it was just a brief test/not far/long duration.
Exmoor 1352 days ago [-]
The article seemed pretty devoid of technical details and left me curious as well. That said, this sentence might give us some insight:
"The loggers took years to perfect and I can still remember the excitement of getting the first one back that had successfully detected a boat’s radar."
"Getting the first one back" makes me think that they physically had to retrieve the sensor, rather than have data transmitted.
I am aware of two kinds of trackers deployed on birds. The first can note their location via GPS at regular intervals and send that data to cell towers when in range. I've only heard about these being deployed on larger birds such as Peregrine Falcons [0] or Snowy Owls [1].
The second type uses daylight to gather location data. If you know when the sun rose and set, relative to UTC, you can pinpoint your location to within ~100 miles. Trackers using this technology can be much smaller, but the bird has to be recaptured for data to be retrieved. Trackers like this were used within the last decade to finally uncover the location where Black Swifts who breed in the United States spent their winter. These small birds flew all the way to Brazil and returned the next summer to the exact same nesting location they used in prior years. Similar trackers, which also had accelerometers, were used to prove the Common Swifts sometimes fly non-stop all winter, sleeping while they fly.
Given the text I quoted and the fact that albatrosses rarely come near any sort of radio receiver, I suspect the trackers must be retrieved from birds, likely on the breeding grounds, which would make the lag monumental. Perhaps it's possible that they're able to do some sort of satellite transmission, but that would seem very challenging indeed.
The ICARUS system [0] enables trackers of 5 g weight or less, the receiving antenna is on the ISS. It uses GPS, and is used on small birds and other animals. It's not exactly real time, as it needs the ISS to pass overhead to upload data.
Wow that's interesting the sunrise/sunset sensor, never considered/heard about that. I've read about the "sleeping while flying" thing that seems crazy, I guess if they're high enough/how long is the sleep.
Thanks for the thoughtful response
jcheng 1352 days ago [-]
According to this, the sleep is very short indeed, done only while gaining altitude, and only done with one side of the brain at a time!
In mist or cloud, on mast or shroud, It perched for vespers nine; Whiles all the night, through fog-smoke white, Glimmered the white Moon-shine.'
'God save thee, ancient Mariner! From the fiends, that plague thee thus!— Why look'st thou so?'—With my cross-bow I shot the ALBATROSS.
When you're already breaking some ethics/rules, it is much easier to break one more.
[1] https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/30-03-2016/how-chinas-illeg...
aka "Chilean sea bass" so that upper middle class westerners think it's a striper and don't bother to Google it.
Halibut, Cod, Flounder, Albacore, Smelt, Sardines, Anchovies, etc. You don't usually have trade names until you start getting into fish that weren't commonly fished for Western consumption until refrigeration plus depletion of fisheries made it possible and profitable to fish things half way around the world or fishing or fish some secondary species that was formerly considered by-catch. At least that's my observation. I've never done a comprehensive survey.
Why? This is what leads to world-policing and "white mans burden".
better would be to deport/repatriate the crew then sink the boat to make an artificial reef.
This hurts the boat owners.
though, they might then decide to take "revenge" on the crew for costing them a ship...
also, in the case the fishing is done by a nation/state, they might consider this an act of war.
so it is a tragic problem.
and just wait until deep sea mining takes off
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/20000-f...
The albatrosses already told us where to fly, now we need to put up some tech to catch the poachers. If they got reliably caught, fined, boats seized, few would bother.
train ML on normal fishing routes/paths to take, deviation, detects unexpected ships ooh
The US Air Force AFWERX [1] Challenge is the combination of the defense, academic, startup, private sector and small business worlds to collaborate through challenges and live events, is running a Hack-A-Sat event [2] -- see if you can join!
[1]https://www.afwerx.af.mil
[2] https://www.hackasat.com/?utm_campaign=AFWERX%20Fusion%20202...
Thanks for the links, will check them out
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
"The loggers took years to perfect and I can still remember the excitement of getting the first one back that had successfully detected a boat’s radar."
"Getting the first one back" makes me think that they physically had to retrieve the sensor, rather than have data transmitted.
I am aware of two kinds of trackers deployed on birds. The first can note their location via GPS at regular intervals and send that data to cell towers when in range. I've only heard about these being deployed on larger birds such as Peregrine Falcons [0] or Snowy Owls [1].
The second type uses daylight to gather location data. If you know when the sun rose and set, relative to UTC, you can pinpoint your location to within ~100 miles. Trackers using this technology can be much smaller, but the bird has to be recaptured for data to be retrieved. Trackers like this were used within the last decade to finally uncover the location where Black Swifts who breed in the United States spent their winter. These small birds flew all the way to Brazil and returned the next summer to the exact same nesting location they used in prior years. Similar trackers, which also had accelerometers, were used to prove the Common Swifts sometimes fly non-stop all winter, sleeping while they fly.
Given the text I quoted and the fact that albatrosses rarely come near any sort of radio receiver, I suspect the trackers must be retrieved from birds, likely on the breeding grounds, which would make the lag monumental. Perhaps it's possible that they're able to do some sort of satellite transmission, but that would seem very challenging indeed.
[0] https://madisonaudubon.org/fff/2016/10/25/featured-sanctuary... (The main site appears to be down) [1] https://www.projectsnowstorm.org/
[0] https://www.icarus.mpg.de/4146/technology
Thanks for the thoughtful response
https://www.audubon.org/news/scientists-finally-have-evidenc...