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Ask HN: Any “Git diff”-like service but for when terms of conditions changes?
dockers22 1601 days ago [-]
I'm a co-founder of https://termscout.com and our TermAlerts service does exactly what you are looking for.

We have attorneys on staff and looked into other tools, but understand that about half of the contracts that live on the web are not webpages, but versioned PDFs and could not find anyone that can catch when that occurs, so we built it ourselves.

When a change occurs we email a redline (diff) and in the process of working on a dashboard that you can see not only the version of the contract when you submitted it and the new one, but overtime be able to scroll through all previous versions of that contract too...very much inspired by Google Maps Street View timeline tool. :)

omarhaneef 1600 days ago [-]
You know what would be a great marketing tool?

If you summarized and posted the terms and the latest changes for some of the big vendors for free.

So maybe you would summarize iTunes, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Dropbox etc for people and they can be made aware of what they agreed to or not.

I don't think this would impinge on your business product too much since companies are presumably not sending this kind of thing your way. (Although, maybe they are in which case I don't know if it makes sense.)

dockers22 1600 days ago [-]
That is a great idea and actually have something very similar to that we will be releasing in the coming months.

Stay tuned. :)

andrewnc 1600 days ago [-]
I made and sold a company that did just this
spacepinball 1600 days ago [-]
Amazing
haggy 1600 days ago [-]
It appears that you are primarily focused on biz2biz is that correct? If so, I couldn't find much on the site related to what guarantees your company provides. For example, what happens if you give me a "certified breakdown" of an AWS terms sheet and it turns out to be wrong or missing information that costs my company a lot of money?
dockers22 1600 days ago [-]
We help both people and businesses understand contracts. What matters to us is that you're buying something that is governed by a contract - whether you’re buying as an individual or a business is less important.

We will give you your money back if you find a material error in any of our reports. If we fail to alert you of a material issue, we will give you twice what you paid us.

With that said, you should not use us as a replacement for an attorney. If you need help assessing something that is mission critical to you or your business, or that involves high potential liability, you should hire an attorney to review our report with you.

Hope that answers your questions and cheers!

haggy 1600 days ago [-]
I think it does, thanks and good luck!
JosephRedfern 1600 days ago [-]
It sounds like a really valuable service.

Here is some un-solicited (hopefully) constructive feedback, which you are free to ignore:

Your website makes it very hard to sign up! The landing page only seems to offer a newsletter subscription, and it's not immediately clear which of the business services does what. Once I land on TermsAlert, AT FIRST it seems like there's no automated onboarding -- but after further inspection, it becomes that there is? I feel like this should stand out much more.

dockers22 1600 days ago [-]
Thank you for that feedback and I agree, we could do a lot better with CTAs and user journey. Feedback is always greatly appreciated and will relay that to our web team. :)
dockers22 1600 days ago [-]
Here is a promocode for you all whoever is interested.

Code: SAVE40

Happy Monday!

ratonofx 1601 days ago [-]
There is https://tosback.org/ or https://www.docracy.com/tos/changes for most popular services

Or

You can build your own https://github.com/pde/tosback2-data

omneity 1601 days ago [-]
https://monitoro.xyz does exactly this (assuming you use it with IFTTT to send updates to your favorite endpoint).

Disclaimer: I'm the author, and I'm happy to answer questions.

christefano 1601 days ago [-]
Follow That Page has a good diff by email service for pages that change.

https://www.followthatpage.com

I use Follow That Page to monitor about a dozen websites for things like news and events, changes to a change log.txt, and so on. It would work well for TOS and TOC web pages.

lcall 1600 days ago [-]
There are some interesting suggestions here.

Another (free) is https://tosdr.org , which reviews many agreements but I don't know of a diff feature in it.

I have read & then saved agreements to a common directory (with memorable names & dates) when agreeing to them, and wrote a little script (assumes *nix) that basically converts the html to text using w3m or such, shortens lines (or every long line looks different), then runs diff. Maybe I could post it at my simple site if there is interest (or see lukecall.net for an email address in the footer, and ask).

(Of course, that doesn't work for the ones that don't let you save the agreement content, short of doing a screen capture.)

(I posted my thoughts or rants about this problem at http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854587150.html , and will add a link to this discussion as a resource.... Hm. My page links to a related discussion on slashdot.org where a minority of comments are somewhat interesting, like the one with "IAAL" in its text.)

Is there some movement to standardize ToS and such agreements, so you can just recognize "oh yeah, it's just agreement #7 again" and not have to bother further (similarly to CC or known FLOSS licenses?)

alexsmolen 1601 days ago [-]
This is what https://tosback.org/ does, I believe.
sashk 1601 days ago [-]
Unfortunately there is too much noise for some TOS.
colejohnson66 1601 days ago [-]
torvald 1601 days ago [-]
I made a simple script, as I prefer plain text emails. https://torvald.no/web-change-detection.html
sosuke 1601 days ago [-]
Thanks for sharing! I like the idea of getting the diff in my email notification.
sosuke 1601 days ago [-]
I was about to suggest http://www.changedetection.com and I hadn't detected they had a name change! lol
jmfayard 1601 days ago [-]
Not directly what you ask, but "Terms of Service didn't read" is great

https://tosdr.org/#

Dyaz17 1601 days ago [-]
You can also use https://www.guardscript.com that does this for free and send you a diff in your email.
laurynas-s 1600 days ago [-]
I am the founder of https://pagecrawl.io and this is exactly what can you do with the service.

I have been considering releasing a product only for tracking ToS only but haven't managed to release it yet.

imduffy15 1600 days ago [-]
https://scrapinghub.com/autoextract may help you with this, it will provide the article in a structured form which you can then diff.
z3t4 1601 days ago [-]
Wayback machine and text diff.
yayitswei 1601 days ago [-]
You could try Diffbot.
damasko 1600 days ago [-]
vimdiff
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